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Thursday, August 2, 2012

Re: [DucatiST] '98 Stator replacement - continuity check

 

 How to troubleshoot a charging system.

Okay, before I start, there's a few things that you guys need to know. First is that I'm going to write this expecting that you have a general knowledge of how electricity works. If all you know for electricity is how to change the remote control batteries, then don't even attempt this. Just take it to the shop. Second is you need to have at least a digital multimeter with ADC, VDC, VAC, Resistance, and a Diode setting. Also, please know that each manufacturer has its own specific way to test something, and there always more than one way to skin a cat. This is how I test a bike's charging system and its a combination of all the manufactuerer's methods. Lets roll.

This is for your standard sport bike. This is a sportbike site, so I will tell how to do sport bikes. I will not say how to do dirt bikes, scooters, ATV's, or pretty much any kind of half wave, or full wave charging system. This is on a 3 phase PMS system. If you have a dirt bike or EMS alternator bike or something else that you're REALLY having problems with, e-mail me and I might help you.

First start out with 5 tests to verify that there is indeed a charging system problem.

1. Battery Voltage. - Key off: between 12 - 13VDC.
2. Key off Amp Draw - At the main fuse: < (less than) 1ADC
3. Key on Amp Draw - At the main fuse: Results will vary because of different loads.
*Note - DO NOT START THE BIKE WITH YOUR METER IN PLACE OF THE MAIN FUSE! Also, if you can not acces the main fuse, put your postive meter lead on the red wire at the solenoid, and put your negative meter lead on the positive battery lead. This way you will be able to get your amperage readings AND let you start the bike without blowing your fuse.* Charging amperage should be at least 1 ADC
4. Break even speed - The RPM in which the charging voltage at the battery turns positive - Should be before Idle
5. Charging voltage at the battery - Between 13 - 15 VDC.
6. Max charging RPM. - There should be an RPM where your bike's charging voltage plateau's off. Usually its around like 4k RPM. If it doesn't, then replace your regulator/rectifier immediately.

Number 5 is basically going to be your deciding test. The numbers there, could vary, but it needs to be higher than your result for number 1. If its not, then you have a charging system problem, if it is and your battery won't stay charged, then you either have an unwanted draw from somewhere, or your battery is bad. So lets say that your bike isn't charging. Here's where we go from here.

Stator check - The 3 yellow or white wires all together. Unplug them, and turn the bike on. Go 1 to 2, 1 to 3 and 2 to 3 with your leads, and all of your reults should be within about 25% of each other on VAC. EMS should be done with it plugged in. Next turn the bike off, and with the stator still unplugged, do an IB test on it. On Ohms, Each lead to ground. All should be OFL. If you get anything, then you probably have a bad stator. Next do an resistance test. Again, test all 3 like you did before, and you should get between .2 and 2.5 ohms for each. If you get one that is WAY WAY off in left field for any of the tests, then you probably have a bad stator.

Regulator/Rectifier - That's the little box that has the fins on it that the stator connects to. Put your meter on the Diode setting, and unplug the rectifier. There's gonna be 5 wires comming out of the Reg/Rec: the 3 to the stator, and a red one and a ground wire. To do the diode tests, put your red lead on the red wire. Then go to the 3 that plug into the stator. 1,2,3 tests, then switch your meter leads and do the same thing. You should have OL for one of the ways, and a small voltage for the other. Then move to the ground wire, and do the same tests, switch leads again and test again. You should have 12 tests total because of the 6 diodes in there. For each of the red and ground wires, you should have OL for 3 of the tests, and a small voltage for the other 3, like I just said. If all that checks out, then your rectifier is good. Next plug everything back in, and check your ground wire connection from the Rec/rec. Make sure you check it as close to the reg/rec body as you can, cuz there could be a break in the wire or something. If there's an open, then locate it, and repair as necessary. Do the same with the red wire to the batter positive terminal, as that's where that one goes.

Field Coil check (EMS only) - Disconnect and lead to lead, should be between 2.5 and 10 ohms, and then do an IB check on it. (Lead to ground disconnected) and it should be OL.

If everything checks out good, then you either missed something, have a bad connection somewhere, or have a bad regulator. You should be able to detect the bad regulator from one of the tests that you did at the very start. If you have the alternator style EMS system on your bike, then I would recommend taking it to the shop because you'll need to check the brush pack, and probably perform a full fielding test, and both of those if done incorrectly can be hundreds of dollars in damage.

--- On Fri, 3/8/12, Allen <hotairrider@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Allen <hotairrider@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DucatiST] '98 Stator replacement - continuity check
To: st2_owners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 3 August, 2012, 0:35

Sandy, I have tested the stator and there seems to be continuity between the two yellow wires and not between the wires and the stator frame. I can't seem to find out the correct resistance figure for between the two yellow wires, do you (or anyone else for that matter) have any idea what it should be?

Oh, and I did measure the output voltage before getting started, I can't remember the exact figure but it was well below what it should be, just under 12 volts I think. There is a dry cell battery fitted and I don't know if that affects the voltage shown in the test though?
Hoping to get back on the road before winter!
Cheers,
Allen

--- In st2_owners@yahoogroups.com, Sandy Thompson <ridinsandy@...> wrote:
>
> Allen,
>
> I was waiting for someone who may have the exact numbers for you, but in a
> nutshell: Yes, there must be continuity between the yellow wires, but there
> is an actual spec for what the resistance should be.  If it were zero, that
> would indicate a short and if it were infinate, then that would indicate an
> open in the stator coil.  There should be infinite resistance between
> either wire and the frame of the stator.  Actually, you can make these
> tests without removing the stator, and in addition you can measure the (AC)
> output voltage while the engine is running, which would have been a good
> idea before removing it :-)
>
> Good luck!
>
> Sandy Thompson
>

> > So I have now got the stator out and ready to check, I just need to know
> > how to check it. There are two yellow wires that come out of the stator,
> > and I know that there should be no continuity between either of the wires
> > and the ground/earth of the stator, but should there be continuity between
> > the two yellow wires?
> > Thanks,
> > Allen
>




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